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Post #59

Titan_GigAs — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:22:14 +0800

wah i never knew UMNO was pro-british and anti-merdeka till now.
UMNO pembela bangsa Melayu ..konon la, last time almost sold Malaya to the devils.
good documentary.

Post #58

minority — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:28:56 +0800

QUOTE(ijatz @ Feb 19 2008, 02:36 AM)

i dont want our country to become like indonesia, i'll always support the monarch.
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Not supporting the monarch does not mean we'll turn out like Indonesia. The monarchs didn't play a role in stopping May 13 did they?

QUOTE(lauyah @ Feb 19 2008, 03:23 AM)

I'd guess the main question is what can we do about it? Would you want to change it? Would you want to risk the peace you are having now? We are just minority, the majority would thought that why fix it when it aint broken, of coz they dont really know its already been broken ages ago or probly they just dont care.

And with ISA, its lesser that we can do. But its good to see more peoples are opposing the government now, its a good start anyway.
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The peace is now is wrought from those with violent tendencies being in power. That is not peace, that is forced docility.

The consolation is that they will bring their own end by their own incompetence, or their own inflated self-assessment of their competence.

QUOTE(malayneum @ Feb 19 2008, 04:42 AM)

i dont understand, what you mean both states already under brits before 20th century? you mean the brookes are british? from what i know brooke family owned sarawak by themselves. after the war, british came back and persuade the brookes to legally handout sarawak to them. theres a resistance in sarawak because the people know it would be easier to get independence from brooke rather than from british.

The Brookes' hegemony over Sarawak was generally considered to be a British hegemony, since they derived much of their capital, civil service members and defence from British resources. The British didn't need to persuade the Brookes, since they could've just taken Sarawak at any point in time without even asking. They just never bothered before the war.

But yes, the resistance was there. So it remains to be seen whether Sabah and Sarawak would've entered a union with Malaya had the Melayu Raya plan went through. The Sabahan 20 Points were an agreed set of conditions for Sabah to form Malaysia, which included the requirement that Melayu Raya not be used as the name of the new federation.

QUOTE(malayneum @ Feb 19 2008, 04:42 AM)

during that time, if youre socially and politically conscious, you would realize why is it important to get independence. the colonials have been cheating us and the sultan many times before. malayan union is one good example why we should not trust the white papers anymore. we know they dont have any interest to free us. even after independence, the british assets are still here. they never really leave. who cares if we are choked, we already choked long time before and we know we can handle it. rough and bloody history are what made us tough inside out.

Indeed, but I wouldn't have wanted to fall from one despot to another (Soekarno), especially one that decided to 'guide' democracy and would appease any one group as long as he can retain his position (the PKI, for example).

QUOTE(lauyah @ Feb 19 2008, 03:23 AM)

im not sure, but how influential are the capitalists in singapore? even if so, the lower class immigrants are guaranteed of their rights in the peoples constitution and i suppose that would be enough to get their support. correct me if im wrong.
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In short, very. The capitalist classes in Singapore was indeed the strongest in SEA at the time and they held incredible clout even in KL before their secession.

But yeah, the lower classes may agree, although perhaps the Singaporean secession would've occurred.

It all depends on the timing I think. Soekarno's stronger hold on power might've turned quite a few people off from any union with them, but if Malaya joined before he started increasing his power, there might have been less opposition.

In the end I guess it's all very hard to predict what would've happened. I'm just saddened that the right-wing conservatives got to helm the country early one because of the Cold War.

cheers

Post #57

malayneum — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:42:10 +0800

Dude, both eastern states were already under the Brits before the 20th century. Sarawak came under the British crown (and not the Brookes) after the war, and Sabah was never fully under the Suluks. That's also why the Phillipines cannot claim Sabah today, because the Sultan of Sulu only claimed most of Sabah, but in reality only exerted influence on certain areas of the East coast. The same with Brunei along the West coast, with most of Sabah divided among hundreds of different leaders. But I digress.

i dont understand, what you mean both states already under brits before 20th century? you mean the brookes are british? from what i know brooke family owned sarawak by themselves. after the war, british came back and persuade the brookes to legally handout sarawak to them. theres a resistance in sarawak because the people know it would be easier to get independence from brooke rather than from british.

I am actually glad we didn't come under the aegis of Indonesia. The Brits at least had the influence and clout to make the nation leave with a parliamentary system and universal suffrage, no matter how imperfect, whereas the despotic tendencies and high involvement of the military in Indonesia brought on by its bloody insurrection would've choked us.

during that time, if youre socially and politically conscious, you would realize why is it important to get independence. the colonials have been cheating us and the sultan many times before. malayan union is one good example why we should not trust the white papers anymore. we know they dont have any interest to free us. even after independence, the british assets are still here. they never really leave. who cares if we are choked, we already choked long time before and we know we can handle it. rough and bloody history are what made us tough inside out.

I do agree that the first constitution was probably only considered temporary, but I do believe had independence been achieved by them, there would have been subsequent resistance against unification with Indonesia, not least by the capitalist classes of Singapore and other urban areas.

im not sure, but how influential are the capitalists in singapore? even if so, the lower class immigrants are guaranteed of their rights in the peoples constitution and i suppose that would be enough to get their support. correct me if im wrong.

Post #56

lauyah — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:23:06 +0800

Post #55

ijatz — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:36:54 +0800

i dont want our country to become like indonesia, i'll always support the monarch.

Post #54

Da_Shiang — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:28:00 +0800

QUOTE

MASA TAYANGAN
SELANGOR
10tahun @ UKM
Tarikh: Rabu, 20 Feb 2008
Masa: 7:30 malam
Tempat: Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia (UKM), Bangi, Selangor

10tahun @ UTAR
Tarikh: Sabtu, 23 Feb 2008
Masa: 2:00 petang
Tempat: Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (UTAR), 13 Jalan 13/6, Petaling Jaya, Selangor

KUALA LUMPUR
Malaysian Documentaries
Tarikh: Feb 2008 (TBA)
Masa: 8:00 malam
Tempat: HELP Univ College Theatrette, Pusat Bandar Damansara, KL
Info: Kelab Seni Filem Malaysia

i guess i will going for a 'movie' on this saturday.

Post #53

minority — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:23:08 +0800

QUOTE(malayneum @ Feb 18 2008, 10:37 AM)

what does that means? i never heard about it. but if im not mistaken by that time sarawak still under brooke. not sure about sabah. sabah still under the sultanate of sulu? for sarawak to merge in malaya raya is easier because it was owned a private man. sarawak not yet being given out to british. personally i think the constitution was hastily tailored to free malaya first. soekarno himself went to taiping for the KRIS meeting, if not for ww2 we can already achieve independence together with indonesia. some people say the kmm leader ibrahim yaakob is a pembelot because he flee to indonesia after ww2, but he actually constantly plotting up with soekarno to regain malaya. what ever it is we should give credits these people for they dare to work it out by themselves. they are the pioneer of nationalism spirit in malaya before any other.
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QUOTE(lauyah @ Feb 18 2008, 07:02 PM)

Well, a point to ponder.

I havent watch the movie tho, but I read the blog. If we were to be bangsa Melayu, and everyone the same, wouldnt it be the same as Indonesia? What the different? Say theres no 'hak istimewa Melayu', being a Chinese, I know how cunning we are in doing business, the Chinese will become the richest, wouldnt the same thing happened in Indo (mass killing of Chinese ethnic) could have happened here too?

Then again, I havent watch the video, so I dont know much yet.
Thanks for the post.
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The same would happen here, except that the Chinese dominance in business was never guaranteed. The business success of the Chinese is not a racial trait, rather the practice of immigrating in communities as well as having relatively wealthy immigrants immigrating along with them meant that there was already a cohesive workforce and seed money to begin enterprises, along with the fact that they were now free from their own feudal constraints.

Furthermore, the violence against the Chinese isn't a sure thing just because of an Indonesian structured society. Rather, economic problems tended to aggravate communal problems, just like it did Germany with the Jews after WWI and in Kenya right now.

QUOTE(malayneum @ Feb 18 2008, 07:11 PM)

bangsa melayu tu sememangnya bangsa feudal. secara tradisinya, dia patuh dan taat setia pada raja dan tuannya. raja tu lambang kedaulatan dan perpaduan bangsa melayu. jadi menentang raja tu adalah dianggap derhaka dan pengkhianat bangsa. patut ke sultan dan raja tu tarafnya diletakkan lebih rendah dari gabenor provinsi macam di indonesia? apa komen ko.
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Saya tidak setuju. Corak kebudayaan sesuatu komuniti adalah sentiasa berubah. Adakah boleh dikatakan orang Melayu memang bangsa feudal sejak daripada dulu lagi, ataupun bangsa Melayu menjadi feudal selepas beratus-ratus tahun dan evolusi budayanya.

Saya rasa sistem beraja itu bukanlah setua bangsa Melayu. Oleh itu, wajar dikatakan bangsa Melayu sendiri boleh melepaskan budaya feudalnya.

cheers

Post #52

malayneum — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:28:52 +0800

QUOTE(fahmireza @ Feb 18 2008, 08:41 PM)

dimana dan tahun bila puisi ni ditulis?

Post #51

fahmireza — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:41:54 +0800

di sini izinkan aku kongsi satu puisi yang ditulis oleh Majid Salleh, Presiden Johore State Federation of Trade Unions dan anggota PKMM. dia juga salah seorang tokoh yang ditemubual dalam filem 10 Tahun Sebelum Merdeka.

BERMULANYA DETIK PERJUANGAN
Oleh Majid Salleh

Pada akhir-akhir tahun 1945
tahun empire Jepun menyerah kalah
detik jajahan Jepun hancur musnah
detik 'ohayo gozaimas' mula dilupakan
diganti semula dengan 'good morning'

Pada saat-saat itulah juga awal mula pertama mula
bangsa Melayu mengukir sejarah
sejarah yang tak kunjung padam
sejarah perjuangan menuntut kemerdekaan
menerusi sebuah pertubuhan parti politik

PKMM nama badannya
Parti Kebangsaan Melayu Malaya nama penuhnya
Malay Nationalist Party nama Inggerisnya
ditubuhkan di Ipoh, Perak

Para penajanya terdiri dari budak-budak
nakal belaka
budak-budak yang berumur di bawah 30 tahun
budak-budak yang tidak punya apa-apa kelulusan

Di antara budak-budak penajanya
Ahmad Boestamam dari Behrang, Tanjung Malim, Perak
Baharuddin Tahir dari Kuala Kangsar, Perak
Mokhtaruddin Lasso dari Bidor, Perak
Abdullah CD dari Lambor, Perak
Dahari Ali dari Sungai Raya, Kampung Kepayang, Perak
Swito dari Ayer Kuning, Kampar, Perak
Arshad Ashaari dari Bidor, Perak
Musa Ahmad dari Pengkalan Baru Gopeng, Perak
Rahman Rahim dari Tanjung Rambutan, Perak
Dan... dan... ramai lagi

Pada awal tahun 1946 datang Dr. Burhanuddin
datang Ishak Hj. Muhammad (Pak Sako) sekarang doktor
datang Shamsuddin Salleh, penulis dan pengarang
datang Cikgu Harun Aminurrashid
dan datang... datang mencurah-curah

PKMM tertubuh di seluruh pelusuk tanah air
dari Timur ke Barat dan
dari Utara ke Selatan hingga ke Singapura

Puak-puak yang mula-mula menerima
ialah rakyat jembel, orang-orang kampung
orang-orang buta huruf, rakyat jelata
rakyat tertindas, rakyat miskin

Orang-orang kaya jangan diharap
apa lagi orang berpangkat
orang-orang mengerat jauh sekali

Ayuh berjuang! Seru pemimpin
Maju sekarang! Sahut pengikut

Post #50

fahmireza — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:31:26 +0800

boleh baca artikel ini untuk fahamkan pemikiran orang Melayu lepas perang yang mula berfikiran progresif dan anti-feudal.

artikel ini aku ambil dari majalah Kenchana bulan Januari 1947: Kita, Orang Melayu Hari Ini! (1947)

Post #49

fahmireza — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:20:31 +0800

QUOTE(malayneum @ Feb 18 2008, 07:11 PM)

benar. dan itu juga lah yang membezakan "melayu kiri" dengan "melayu feudal". perang dunia kedua banyak mempengaruhi pemikiran orang melayu yang mulai sedar pentingnya kebebasan. kebebasan dari segala bentuk penjajahan.

ingat tak dalam filem 10tahun Yahya Nassim cakap, "rupanya kalau takde orang putih pun boleh. dulu kita terfikir kalau takde orang putih, mati kita." perkara yang sama boleh dikatakan tentang raja2 melayu. rakyat jelata melayu mula terfikir, "kalau takde raja pun boleh jugak". sebab mereka mulai nampak, beratus tahun rakyat jelata kelas bawah hidup dalam sistem feudal, apa yang sudah dilakukan oleh raja2 untuk rakyat jelata? mereka hidup mewah di istana dengan elaun dari penaung mereka, penjajah British, sedangkan rakyat jelata hidup melarat, tiada pendidikan, tiada hak politik, serba-serbi kekurangan.

sebab itu, selepas perang mereka tubuhkan parti politik! PKMM. cuba fikir, kenapa "rakyat", orang biasa, nak tubuhkan parti politik kalau dah ada raja sebagai pemerintah yang menjaga kebajikan mereka? bukankah parti politik merupakan satu intstitusi utama dalam sebuah sistem demokrasi?

bangsa feudal menolak tradisi untuk demokrasi.

dan jangan lupa, kesemua 9 raja2 melayu sudah hilang kepercayaan rakyat bila mereka dengan mudah tandatangani MacMicheal Agreement hujung tahun 1945, menyerahkan negeri masing2 kepada penjajah British. secara automatik raja sudah menderhaka kepada bangsa dan rakyat dan hilang statusnya.

tapi raja2 bernasib baik sebab adanya UMNO untuk menyelamatkan tengkolok mereka.

Post #48

malayneum — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:23:13 +0800

QUOTE(lauyah @ Feb 18 2008, 07:02 PM)

its no different with our own May 1969. different is now after suharto fall down they already move on to a greater democracy and freedom of speech. they realize that implosive people are dangerous, like in malaysia. but here in malaysia we are always being haunted by it and warned not to speak for sensitive issues.

Post #47

malayneum — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:11:03 +0800

QUOTE(fahmireza @ Feb 18 2008, 06:15 PM)

keris sebenarnya simbol untuk raja2 melayu. golongan feudal yang ditentang oleh PKMM.

satu perkara yang aku tak dapat selitkan dalam filem 10 Tahun Sebelum Merdeka ialah perjuangan golongan kiri juga merupakan perjuangan kelas. antara kelas atasan (raja2 melayu dan pembesar) dengan kelas bawah (rakyat jelata).

kanan dan kiri. reaksioner dan progresif.

menurut Yahya Nassim, UMNO merupakan pertubuhan yang menjaga kepentingan kelas atasan. sebab itu dalam penentangan mereka terhadap Malayan Union, UMNO hanya menuntut supaya British mengembalikan kedaulatan raja2 melayu dan tidak menuntut kedaulatan rakyat (merdeka) yang dilaungkan oleh PKMM.

itu antara sebab utama PKMM keluar dari UMNO. kerana PKMM mahu 'merdeka' dan UMNO mahu 'hidup RAJA melayu'.
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Post #46

lauyah — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:02:06 +0800

Post #45

fahmireza — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:15:34 +0800

Post #44

gtghost — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:56:43 +0800

Yeah they are, heros at brainwashing.

Post #43

F1meteor — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:24:16 +0800

and i thought UMNO was the hero all the while..

Post #42

unknown warrior — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:22:32 +0800

QUOTE(Parrot @ Feb 18 2008, 12:39 PM)

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MALAYNEUM!?
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That's Malaynuem alright. He just .......................evolved.

Post #41

Im_beside_yoU — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:02:01 +0800

one of my best video ever watched, outstanding. thanks

Post #40

Parrot — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:39:21 +0800

QUOTE(malayneum @ Feb 17 2008, 09:37 PM)

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MALAYNEUM!?